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The glass globe seems a wondrously beautiful opposite to Bentham's panopticon. Makes me want to try reading Fichte. Unfortunately, his odious political philosophy seems to allow only his approved eyes a place at the globe. ?
Eber, THANKS for my introduction to Bentham's panopticon! Wow! I've attached a drawing from Wiki. I live in Thomaston, which used to be known as a prison town, the supposed setting for the Shawshenk Redemption, although I think that was shot in the mid-west. A new prison was built in another town, Warren, and early one morning all the doors popped open automatically. But that's another story. Source for drawing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon
What I've wanted to know about Fichte is both what he actually meant (at various times in his life, as he apparently evolved) as well as the way the world interpreted him, AND how we interpret him. Your straightforward comment, "Unfortunately, his odious political philosophy seems to allow only his approved eyes a place at the globe," is delightfully clear. Would you be willing to expand upon this comment. Philosophy is not my forte. In fact, it is a struggle for me, like using Escoffier's French Cookbook, always having to make veal broth or render chicken fat, before I can proceed to what I want to cook. Nevertheless, I'm fascinated by it. And quite open to hearing what damage Fichte did, whether intentional or not!
I have copies of most of the reviews of Follett's work from her time, and recall that the New State thrilled some folks and ruffled the feathers of others. In the Sewanee Review, Thomas Pearce Bailey blasts her for her "orange journalism,"--some combination of yellow and red. (No date, but probably 1919) and Howard Lee McBain chides her saying "Miss Follett knows her Hegel, her Duguit, her James, Her Roscoe Pound, Her Harold Laski. She knows her particularism, her syndicalism, her guild socialism, her dualism, her pluralism. But she does not know human nature at its present stage of progress toward cooperation. She is not a practicalist." (Political Science Quarterly, Vol XXXIV. By the way, most of these reviews were given to me by Fran Cooper, on our list, and who wrote an early PhD thesis on Follett. Thanks, Fran!)
I look forward to hearing more!
Thanks, Albie
Eber Hampton said:The glass globe seems a wondrously beautiful opposite to Bentham's panopticon. Makes me want to try reading Fichte. Unfortunately, his odious political philosophy seems to allow only his approved eyes a place at the globe. ?
Sorry, I only have a secondary source for Fichte's ethnic nationalism. The Wikipedia article on Fichte has a particularly hateful quote from him about Jews. However, I don't want to blind myself to any of his work, the good or the bad. I can only guess what orange journalism might have meant in 1919. In 1914 Germany smuggled guns to the orange faction in Ireland if I recall. That may not be at all relevant or perhaps it is. I read Follett, "Community is Process" last night with great delight. If reading Fichte helped her with that then I still want to explore Fichte if only to wonder how and why she surpassed him.
Sorry, I only have a secondary source for Fichte's ethnic nationalism. The Wikipedia article on Fichte has a particularly hateful quote from him about Jews. However, I don't want to blind myself to any of his work, the good or the bad. I can only guess what orange journalism might have meant in 1919. In 1914 Germany smuggled guns to the orange faction in Ireland if I recall. That may not be at all relevant or perhaps it is. I read Follett, "Community is Process" last night with great delight. If reading Fichte helped her with that then I still want to explore Fichte if only to wonder how and why she surpassed him.
Sorry, I only have a secondary source for Fichte's ethnic nationalism. The Wikipedia article on Fichte has a particularly hateful quote from him about Jews. However, I don't want to blind myself to any of his work, the good or the bad. I can only guess what orange journalism might have meant in 1919. In 1914 Germany smuggled guns to the orange faction in Ireland if I recall. That may not be at all relevant or perhaps it is. I read Follett, "Community is Process" last night with great delight. If reading Fichte helped her with that then I still want to explore Fichte if only to wonder how and why she surpassed him.
Reply to what is for me the main point. The unstated premise is she did surpass him.
Jeff Bedolla
Eber Hampton said:Sorry, I only have a secondary source for Fichte's ethnic nationalism. The Wikipedia article on Fichte has a particularly hateful quote from him about Jews. However, I don't want to blind myself to any of his work, the good or the bad. I can only guess what orange journalism might have meant in 1919. In 1914 Germany smuggled guns to the orange faction in Ireland if I recall. That may not be at all relevant or perhaps it is. I read Follett, "Community is Process" last night with great delight. If reading Fichte helped her with that then I still want to explore Fichte if only to wonder how and why she surpassed him.
Thank you all for exemplifying and encouraging an integrative solution. In a morning class 30 years ago my professor spoke about the necessity of focus. That afternoon with no preamble, my grandpa used the multi-lane traffic around us to illustrate the danger of a narrow focus and the need to "know what is going on 360 degrees". I said, "Sometimes what you are teaching me and what the University teaches are opposites."
"Maybe I should stop teaching you until you get your degree, then we can pick it up again."
"No, what you are teaching me is keeping me alive."
"Then your challenge is to make them work together"
Maybe that is one of the reasons reading Follett feels a bit like coming home. She gives me a new language, new thoughts, new hopes about our human challenge of working together.
What a great story, Eber,
And what a wise grandpa! Driving is a perfect example of making focus and 360 degree attention work together. Of late, I've had to make my peace with the GPS devices which seem to think I only need to pay attention to one short leg of a trip at a time. One time in California, where I grew up, I blindly followed the GPS sexy lady's voice command to turn right, after about five miles I asked myself, "If I'm heading South from Sacramento to San Francisco, and it's 3pm, how come the sun in on my left?" As soon as possible, I took a right off the interstate and was told to turn right, which was a cornfield. Now, a paper map and common sense at my side.
Any younger folks on the MPF network got advice on how to use these devices intelligently? Albie
Eber Hampton said:Thank you all for exemplifying and encouraging an integrative solution. In a morning class 30 years ago my professor spoke about the necessity of focus. That afternoon with no preamble, my grandpa used the multi-lane traffic around us to illustrate the danger of a narrow focus and the need to "know what is going on 360 degrees". I said, "Sometimes what you are teaching me and what the University teaches are opposites."
"Maybe I should stop teaching you until you get your degree, then we can pick it up again."
"No, what you are teaching me is keeping me alive."
"Then your challenge is to make them work together"
Maybe that is one of the reasons reading Follett feels a bit like coming home. She gives me a new language, new thoughts, new hopes about our human challenge of working together.
It just so happens that the subject of Driving is my specialty! I can take that GPS question--even though I happen to be experiencing a little concern about advancing age myself! I would like to announce a new proposal, since this is a polite society...and that is to begin a new Discussion Topic, or better yet, a Forum, on Follett and Driving. This is something I've wanted to do for a long time. This is such an exciting development for me. This is an area for applied Folletianism. I've been working on Driving Research for over 8 years, after having cut my teeth as a behind-the-wheel driving school instructor in 2001. There is so much to share on this topic, that anyone who is both interested in this subject and who knows how to organize discussion material, would be welcome. Also, what I have to share is original work, and so intellectual property management is an issue.--Jeff
Albie M. Davis said:What a great story, Eber,
And what a wise grandpa! Driving is a perfect example of making focus and 360 degree attention work together. Of late, I've had to make my peace with the GPS devices which seem to think I only need to pay attention to one short leg of a trip at a time. One time in California, where I grew up, I blindly followed the GPS sexy lady's voice command to turn right, after about five miles I asked myself, "If I'm heading South from Sacramento to San Francisco, and it's 3pm, how come the sun in on my left?" As soon as possible, I took a right off the interstate and was told to turn right, which was a cornfield. Now, a paper map and common sense at my side.
Any younger folks on the MPF network got advice on how to use these devices intelligently? Albie
Eber Hampton said:Thank you all for exemplifying and encouraging an integrative solution. In a morning class 30 years ago my professor spoke about the necessity of focus. That afternoon with no preamble, my grandpa used the multi-lane traffic around us to illustrate the danger of a narrow focus and the need to "know what is going on 360 degrees". I said, "Sometimes what you are teaching me and what the University teaches are opposites."
"Maybe I should stop teaching you until you get your degree, then we can pick it up again."
"No, what you are teaching me is keeping me alive."
"Then your challenge is to make them work together"
Maybe that is one of the reasons reading Follett feels a bit like coming home. She gives me a new language, new thoughts, new hopes about our human challenge of working together.
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