Follett on Unity (From 1933 lecture) - The Mary Parker Follett Network2024-03-29T12:03:14Zhttps://mpfollett.ning.com/forum/topics/follett-on-unity-from-1933?commentId=3634948%3AComment%3A3626&feed=yes&xn_auth=noJudy - I'm 99.999% sure that…tag:mpfollett.ning.com,2013-07-02:3634948:Comment:281022013-07-02T21:00:20.552ZMatthew Shapirohttps://mpfollett.ning.com/profile/MatthewShapiro
<p>Judy - I'm 99.999% sure that Creative Experience is not under copyright, but can't recall last time I researched it. (Also - note that we have the entire text of that book electronically available on this website :-)</p>
<p>Judy - I'm 99.999% sure that Creative Experience is not under copyright, but can't recall last time I researched it. (Also - note that we have the entire text of that book electronically available on this website :-)</p> Strange to be responding to a…tag:mpfollett.ning.com,2013-07-02:3634948:Comment:279162013-07-02T19:02:12.253ZJudy Whippshttps://mpfollett.ning.com/profile/JudyWhipps
<p>Strange to be responding to a posting from 2010, I know. But I saw that Pauline Graham was on this list, so I thought I'd give it a try. I'm trying to find out if <em>Creative Experience</em> is still under copyright. I see that the excerpts in <em>Prophet of Management</em> do not say "by permission of..." Pauline, or anyone on this list, do you know?</p>
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<p>Strange to be responding to a posting from 2010, I know. But I saw that Pauline Graham was on this list, so I thought I'd give it a try. I'm trying to find out if <em>Creative Experience</em> is still under copyright. I see that the excerpts in <em>Prophet of Management</em> do not say "by permission of..." Pauline, or anyone on this list, do you know?</p>
<p></p> What about "mutual, reciproca…tag:mpfollett.ning.com,2011-10-16:3634948:Comment:166512011-10-16T14:57:05.953ZJoseph Arthur Christianhttps://mpfollett.ning.com/profile/JosephArthurChristian
What about "mutual, reciprocal, submission and accountability? Let's support each other <em>at the attitude level</em> and let the paradigm begin to develop. What do you think?
What about "mutual, reciprocal, submission and accountability? Let's support each other <em>at the attitude level</em> and let the paradigm begin to develop. What do you think? This is based on her process…tag:mpfollett.ning.com,2011-02-15:3634948:Comment:44512011-02-15T16:25:40.278ZMargaret Stouthttps://mpfollett.ning.com/profile/MargaretStout
This is based on her process philosophy (a la Whitehead)... all is in a constant state of dynamic co-creativity.
This is based on her process philosophy (a la Whitehead)... all is in a constant state of dynamic co-creativity. Verbials tend to be a better…tag:mpfollett.ning.com,2011-02-13:3634948:Comment:41432011-02-13T07:59:22.642ZTadit Andersonhttps://mpfollett.ning.com/profile/TaditAnderson
<p>Verbials tend to be a better basis for guidance than nouns. Dynamism be the thing. The expectation of lock step conformity via "progressives" is as constrictive as versions applied elsewhere. There is a fundamental issue that tends to be papered over within most social science by positing conformity as the basis and goal for socialization and "function." Within the more advanced thinkers relative to the social sciences, eg Hannah Arendt's "The Human Condition," Walter Davis "Inwardness and…</p>
<p>Verbials tend to be a better basis for guidance than nouns. Dynamism be the thing. The expectation of lock step conformity via "progressives" is as constrictive as versions applied elsewhere. There is a fundamental issue that tends to be papered over within most social science by positing conformity as the basis and goal for socialization and "function." Within the more advanced thinkers relative to the social sciences, eg Hannah Arendt's "The Human Condition," Walter Davis "Inwardness and Existence," and Hyman Minsky and the functional/post Keynesianists who followed, the focus is more upon practices and capacities.</p>
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<p>Tadit Anderson</p> PS. I hope it is ok that I ha…tag:mpfollett.ning.com,2010-10-05:3634948:Comment:36262010-10-05T16:40:54.000ZRosa Zubizarretahttps://mpfollett.ning.com/profile/RosaZubizarreta
PS. I hope it is ok that I have quoted you in my recent blog post...<br />
the link is<br />
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<a href="http://www.diapraxis.com/blog/entry/1124851" target="_blank">http://www.diapraxis.com/blog/entry/1124851</a><br />
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<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.diapraxis.com/blog/entry/1124851" target="_blank"></a>
PS. I hope it is ok that I have quoted you in my recent blog post...<br />
the link is<br />
<br />
<a href="http://www.diapraxis.com/blog/entry/1124851" target="_blank">http://www.diapraxis.com/blog/entry/1124851</a><br />
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<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.diapraxis.com/blog/entry/1124851" target="_blank"></a> Dear Albie, thank YOU for you…tag:mpfollett.ning.com,2010-10-05:3634948:Comment:36252010-10-05T14:56:36.000ZRosa Zubizarretahttps://mpfollett.ning.com/profile/RosaZubizarreta
Dear Albie, thank YOU for your response, and, for the initial "provocation" of your quote...<br />
<br />
would love to connect with you further.<br />
<br />
all best wishes,<br />
<br />
Rosa
Dear Albie, thank YOU for your response, and, for the initial "provocation" of your quote...<br />
<br />
would love to connect with you further.<br />
<br />
all best wishes,<br />
<br />
Rosa Rosa!
Brilliant! So like Fol…tag:mpfollett.ning.com,2010-07-25:3634948:Comment:35542010-07-25T15:49:50.000ZAlbie M. Davishttps://mpfollett.ning.com/profile/AlbieMDavis
Rosa!<br />
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Brilliant! So like Follett who often plucked some ongoing process out of the air to make her point.<br />
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And your "to do" list made me laugh aloud, for I have teased myself and my children about wanting a tomb stone that had my last to do list on it with some things checked off, "groom the dog," "pay bills," and other's unchecked, perhaps, "Don't forget to reline the brakes!" or "Make a new will." Way to go!<br />
<br />
THANK YOU! Albie Davis<br />
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<cite>Rosa Zubizarreta said:…</cite>
Rosa!<br />
<br />
Brilliant! So like Follett who often plucked some ongoing process out of the air to make her point.<br />
<br />
And your "to do" list made me laugh aloud, for I have teased myself and my children about wanting a tomb stone that had my last to do list on it with some things checked off, "groom the dog," "pay bills," and other's unchecked, perhaps, "Don't forget to reline the brakes!" or "Make a new will." Way to go!<br />
<br />
THANK YOU! Albie Davis<br />
<br />
<cite>Rosa Zubizarreta said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://mpfollett.ning.com/forum/topics/follett-on-unity-from-1933?commentId=3634948%3AComment%3A3549&xg_source=msg_com_forum#3634948Comment3549"><div>What I appreciate about MPF's work is that she describes so well, on a more theoretical level, what I experience in my practice working with groups on creative approaches to practical dilemmas.<br/> <br/>
So I was delighted to come across the above quote -- thank you Albie! -- as so far all I have read (several times over) is "The New State".<br/>
<br/>
To me, what it points to, is an experience I have had repeatedly with groups... that whenever the group arrives at a concrete point of natural emergent convergence, THAT POINT ITSELF becomes the ground for the next step of divergence...<br/>
<br/>
To take a very concrete and prosaic example... say we have all, through some process, come to realize that YES we want to stay on Ning... (before, we might have been contemplating a variety of possibilities, from staying, to migrating elsewhere, to creating our own platform, to whatever...)<br/>
<br/>
then very naturally, we might find ourselves in a conversation about how much do we want to charge people, should it be flat fee, or sliding scale, or by donation... should it be just to cover the $199, or do we want to take in a bit more, and if so, what might we use it for... etc. etc. etc.<br/>
<br/>
this process of every point of convergence, becoming a new departure point for divergence, is extremely "natural".... it just IS... to the degree that, in our work we find that from time to time, we need to introduce a "pause", to invite people to "look back" and celebrate, how far they have come...<br/>
<br/>
because unless we do so, there will ALWAYS be, some "new" situation or challenge that needs addressing! Much like our daily lives...<br/>
<br/>
when teaching our approach to creative work with groups, and explaining this point, I often ask folks... what would happen if you were to finish every item on your daily "to-do" list? would that mean you wouldn't have anything to do for the rest of the week? people usually laugh... there will ALWAYS be 'more to do'...<br/>
<br/>
which to me signals, that what is important, is that we have a process in place, that allows us to truly and deeply ENJOY the process of "meeting" with one another...<br/>
<br/>
because as i see it, she is absolutely right... it's an on-going thing! i.e., a continuous process...<br/>
<br/>
with all best wishes,<br/>
<br/>
Rosa</div>
</blockquote> What I appreciate about MPF's…tag:mpfollett.ning.com,2010-07-25:3634948:Comment:35492010-07-25T15:24:12.000ZRosa Zubizarretahttps://mpfollett.ning.com/profile/RosaZubizarreta
What I appreciate about MPF's work is that she describes so well, on a more theoretical level, what I experience in my practice working with groups on creative approaches to practical dilemmas.<br />
<br />
So I was delighted to come across the above quote -- thank you Albie! -- as so far all I have read (several times over) is "The New State".<br />
<br />
To me, what it points to, is an experience I have had repeatedly with groups... that whenever the group arrives at a concrete point of natural emergent…
What I appreciate about MPF's work is that she describes so well, on a more theoretical level, what I experience in my practice working with groups on creative approaches to practical dilemmas.<br />
<br />
So I was delighted to come across the above quote -- thank you Albie! -- as so far all I have read (several times over) is "The New State".<br />
<br />
To me, what it points to, is an experience I have had repeatedly with groups... that whenever the group arrives at a concrete point of natural emergent convergence, THAT POINT ITSELF becomes the ground for the next step of divergence...<br />
<br />
To take a very concrete and prosaic example... say we have all, through some process, come to realize that YES we want to stay on Ning... (before, we might have been contemplating a variety of possibilities, from staying, to migrating elsewhere, to creating our own platform, to whatever...)<br />
<br />
then very naturally, we might find ourselves in a conversation about how much do we want to charge people, should it be flat fee, or sliding scale, or by donation... should it be just to cover the $199, or do we want to take in a bit more, and if so, what might we use it for... etc. etc. etc.<br />
<br />
this process of every point of convergence, becoming a new departure point for divergence, is extremely "natural".... it just IS... to the degree that, in our work we find that from time to time, we need to introduce a "pause", to invite people to "look back" and celebrate, how far they have come...<br />
<br />
because unless we do so, there will ALWAYS be, some "new" situation or challenge that needs addressing! Much like our daily lives...<br />
<br />
when teaching our approach to creative work with groups, and explaining this point, I often ask folks... what would happen if you were to finish every item on your daily "to-do" list? would that mean you wouldn't have anything to do for the rest of the week? people usually laugh... there will ALWAYS be 'more to do'...<br />
<br />
which to me signals, that what is important, is that we have a process in place, that allows us to truly and deeply ENJOY the process of "meeting" with one another...<br />
<br />
because as i see it, she is absolutely right... it's an on-going thing! i.e., a continuous process...<br />
<br />
with all best wishes,<br />
<br />
Rosa For me there is little doubt…tag:mpfollett.ning.com,2010-07-13:3634948:Comment:35082010-07-13T10:54:16.000ZIan Glendinninghttps://mpfollett.ning.com/profile/IanGlendinning
For me there is little doubt that MPF had a fundamental process view of the world. Things happening, noun-verbs / active-nouns. This is consistent with her view of integration "of" things, rather than compromise "between" things. Things mutually participating as opposed to things in isolation.<br />
<br />
A major draw for me is that as well as the management / organizational-behaviour interest - this process-based "monism" is very attractive metaphysically - integrative of so much on so many axes.<br />
<br />
Zen…
For me there is little doubt that MPF had a fundamental process view of the world. Things happening, noun-verbs / active-nouns. This is consistent with her view of integration "of" things, rather than compromise "between" things. Things mutually participating as opposed to things in isolation.<br />
<br />
A major draw for me is that as well as the management / organizational-behaviour interest - this process-based "monism" is very attractive metaphysically - integrative of so much on so many axes.<br />
<br />
Zen and the Art hits very close to the target.